Comments on: Quebec, Wales, California Join Beyond Oil and Gas Alliance while Canada, U.K., U.S. Stay Out https://www.theenergymix.com/quebec-wales-california-join-beyond-oil-and-gas-alliance-while-canada-u-k-u-s-stay-out/ The climate news that makes a difference. Fri, 07 Feb 2025 03:28:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Mitchell Beer https://www.theenergymix.com/quebec-wales-california-join-beyond-oil-and-gas-alliance-while-canada-u-k-u-s-stay-out/#comment-11627 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 21:00:28 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=130440#comment-11627 In reply to ALAN JOHNSON.

I’ll just encourage you to be careful and really sweat the details behind this line of thought. Extracting natural gas, particularly by fracking, and transporting it through much of the infrastructure now in existence, produce methane emissions that are 80 to 86 times more effective than CO2 at warming the atmosphere, and that the IPCC identified as the single biggest priority over the short term. We won’t get those reductions by finding exotic new uses for gas. Similarly, there are production impacts for crude oil — tailings ponds, downstream cancer clusters — that go beyond greenhouse gas emissions, and that the industry has too often been happy to greenwash away or bury in politics rather than addressing.

If the primary goal is to sustain an industry entering its sunset, then sure, new products are part of the answer. If the main priority and the wider, vastly more urgent context is to drive down emissions quickly in an era of climate chaos, let’s talk about real reductions rather than demonstrably false promises for 2050. Get that right. Then let’s talk about new product lines.

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By: ALAN JOHNSON https://www.theenergymix.com/quebec-wales-california-join-beyond-oil-and-gas-alliance-while-canada-u-k-u-s-stay-out/#comment-11616 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:33:48 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=130440#comment-11616 Yes. Your point exposes the most important misunderstanding about fossil hydrocarbon resources. They may have primitive uses as fuels but their ultimate value is as carbon and hydrogen resources. Carbon fiber, graphite, graphene and other advanced carbon materials… the Boeing 787 is already 50% carbon. We already know how to make hydrogen and ethylene from natural gas using green electricity without producing CO2. The stone age is indeed over but we found ways to extract the myriad metals, chemicals and hydrocarbons that form the material basis of our society from those very same stones! This progress will continue. We are leaving the iron age and entering the carbon era.

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By: Bob Mitchell https://www.theenergymix.com/quebec-wales-california-join-beyond-oil-and-gas-alliance-while-canada-u-k-u-s-stay-out/#comment-11602 Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:00:49 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=130440#comment-11602 I understand the aims of the group and I wonder whether they have considered that the carbon molecules present in hydrocarbons are likely to soon become extremely valuable for their non-combustion uses including medical, material, electronic and nutritional uses. The hydrogen that is left over after the carbon materials are recovered is a clean burning fuel. I believe that if we are going to spark the innovative advances that we need to make progress, we need to be precise about what is unacceptable (GHG emissions from combustion) rather moving upstream and presuming that the seemingly direct relationship between hydrocarbon production and combustion emissions must continue. I believe this new group should examine its goals in light of what a world of 9B people needs and how hydrocarbons could contribute, such as clean affordable energy, abundant high-quality nutrition, light efficient transportation, low cost reliable power, improved medical support, etc. Advanced carbon materials (also called “Frontier Materials”) hold a great deal of promise for contributing to each of these needs.

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