Comments on: Trans Mountain Pipeline Cost Burden Looms As Oil Exports Surge https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/ The climate news that makes a difference. Wed, 22 Jan 2025 23:43:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Mitchell Beer https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-25050 Wed, 22 Jan 2025 23:43:05 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-25050 In reply to Alex.

How do you expect Trans Mountain to pay for itself when oil demand is set to peak before the end of this decade before going into permanent decline? In that kind of market, the most expensive, dirtiest, most difficult to process versions of a product get dropped first, and the oil sands tick all three boxes.

But, please, don’t take my word for it. For international markets, just look at what major oil companies have been saying and doing. https://www.theenergymix.com/oil-companies-investors-talk-down-trumps-drill-baby-drill-as-prices-stay-low-exploration-budgets-shrink/ For the future prospects of the oil sands — with all the lavish subsidies already available to them, why do you think the six members of the Pathways Alliance aren’t investing their own massive profits in the carbon capture venture they say they need and want?

Strong agreement here that governments can and should invest in things that work, and we should say job well done when they do. Can you imagine how many heat pumps, deep energy retrofits, and solar/battery microgrids we could have been celebrating if the money going down the drain on Trans Mountain had been invested in something worthwhile?

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By: Alex https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-25044 Wed, 22 Jan 2025 05:04:07 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-25044 Government managed to complete something the private sector failed to do and we still complain!

TM makes all Canadians more independent from USA. Gives us more options. Will pay itself off even if it will take a long time.

What more do we want seriously?

For once let’s just say job well done and move on shall we? Time to set our eyes on the next big thing to inspire the next generation and the next problems to overcome.

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By: Gregory Bailey https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24992 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 03:54:26 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24992 This is an excellent suggestion to use a fee levied on all pipeline oil exports in order to pay some of the costs of the trans mountain pipeline. The Americans would like Canada to lower its trade surplus so the best way would be raise the cost of Alberta oil. In the meantime Canada could establish some clientele that will pay the world price for the oil.

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By: Suzanne Crawley https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24902 Wed, 01 Jan 2025 17:41:12 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24902 I am very curious where the money got spent. Was it actual labor and materials or was it going to the financial wizards for “interest” payments. I hope we get an audit on that whole project. And, indeed, I would like to have seen that money spent on validated renewables like wind/solar/batteries (not LNG or hydrogen, which are Canada’s next stranded assets).

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By: Mitchell Beer https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24889 Mon, 30 Dec 2024 11:45:45 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24889 In reply to Ace.

That’s a very incomplete assessment! Trans Mountain was delayed for a very long list of reasons, many of them related to the size and complexity of the project, poor planning along the route, the COVID-19 pandemic, and the very real possibility that it was simply too big to succeed, as megaprojects very often are. Author Bent Flyvbjerg calls that an “iron law”. https://energymixweekender.substack.com/p/heres-why-fossil-fuel-projects-are

So, yes, lawsuits and massive local protests that were appropriate in a democracy and absolutely necessary in a climate emergency were one part of the picture. But it’s interesting that you blame the entire cost overrun on the one factor that could and should have been taken as an early warning. Decades ago, in a subject area quite distant from fossil fuels and climate change but pretty much as heavily contested, I helped document a public participation workshop where some of the discussion turned on how project developers should listen to and incorporate public input. I remember two participants, in particular, whose approach (in their own words, more or less) was to go in with their backs to the wall and their elbows up, to win their battle and make sure they were the last ones standing. One of the moderators asked them why they would spend so lavishly on public affairs and litigation when they could simply make the right go/no-go decision, stop that contentious project before it started, and invest instead in something communities actually liked and wanted.

Others have pointed out how many heat pumps, solar microgrids, or whole-building deep energy retrofits the Trans Mountain budget could have bought, how many years of transit operating funds it could have covered. Not to mention the millions of hours of effort, both building and trying to stop the pipeline, that could have been put to productive use. Spending those dollars as if they mattered, and as if communities mattered, would have held out zero profit potential for a pipeline company in Houston that was a stepchild of the Enron empire, or for mostly foreign-funded oil companies operating in Alberta — and now, as you point out, would have saved Canadian taxpayers billions of dollars. The benefits would have flowed to the rest of us instead, almost certainly including you.

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By: Robert Norman https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24882 Sat, 28 Dec 2024 22:02:43 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24882 I totally agree with the cost to Canadians for the pipeline be recovered by including a fee on every bit of oil loaded on tankers for shipment to offshore buyers.
I questioned why we have to pay for the pipeline when Kinder Morgan was supposed to complete the pipeline ?
Why did our federal government have to pay Kinder Morgan for the completed portion and then accept the total cost to complete it.
Damn poor management by our federal government has caused this huge cost to the Canadian Taxpayers.
Who will profit by the completion of the pipeline ?
Alberta, Oil Companies, Original pipeline contractors ie Kinder Morgan should they not also pay for costs ?

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By: Claude Dupuis https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24873 Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:11:32 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24873 This goes to show the government mismanagement of funds. If tax payers end up on the hook for 18.8 billion this could have gone a long way in other areas such as Arctic security, LNG development, business investment, social development etc.

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By: Ace https://www.theenergymix.com/trans-mountain-pipeline-cost-burden-looms-as-oil-exports-surge-2/#comment-24866 Thu, 26 Dec 2024 18:39:07 +0000 https://www.theenergymix.com/?p=150243#comment-24866 I like how the people protesting the pipeline promised to make it uneconomical. Then caused massive cost over runs and were never held responsible. Yes tax payers will be on the hook. Enjoy!

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